Madonna vs Michael Jackson vs Prince

Now THIS is a battle!

I found it sad how MJ’s last official album in 2002 flopped. It was good!

Madonna always released way more singles and albums than the other two.

Prince never held the power the other two did. I know many loved him back in the 80s but his career at the top wasn’t long lived!

MJ was bigger than the other two combined. Not sure what the point of comparison is here. He also released far less frequently than the other two.

Prince was extremely prolific it just wasn’t what people wanted to hear after 1992. MJ was not much “bigger”than Madonna. His output really suffered after Thriller. He lost steam quickly. Madonna was prolific and always seems to push her sound, get hits, and take risks which mostly paid off until 2003.

[quote]Madonna always released way more singles and albums than the other two.

You're kidding, right? Prince released an album almost every single year for most of his career. Sometimes more than one in a year.

Prince >> MJ >>>> Madonna

In terms of talent, I agree with R4.

I'm sure Prince died having more money than MJ. He was songwriter, producer, arranger, musician, singer and star of his own show.

His musical legacy will be alive for centuries. He was a real genius and even though he went creepy with that religious cult he was involved with, his music never suffered from it. He was in top form during his last 5-10 years.

Madonna crushed them both for relevance over the long haul. But MJ run in the 80s was insane.

I don't care for any of them. Give me The Smiths, REM, Cyndi Lauper for my 80s icons.

MJ had a few hits in the 90s but his reign was in the 80s.

Madonna released music frequently, unlike MJ.

[quote]Madonna always released way more singles and albums than the other two.

Don't be ridiculous. Prince cut over 40 unique, original LP albums.

You just didn't hear about them because they didn't each get a huge publicity push like Madonna's or M.J.'s.

Prince was far more prolific. TOO prolific.

R8 Totally false. MJ has sold more albums worldwide in his lifetime than Madonna. In 1987 after Thriller, which I remind you was the best selling album of ALL TIME, Bad was released and he had a string of commercial successes over the next 4 years, not to mention tours that filled more stadiums than Madonna ever dreamed of. In 1991 Dangerous album was released and it was very big.

But you must have been living in a cave at the time?

I think Prince's Purple Rain album is a masterpiece, but I find most of his music hard to listen to. I dont know if he over produced or under produced his songs but for me it's not enjoyable listening to more than a handful of his songs.

Easier for Madonna to endure. She of little talent was like a brand designed by different artists. Rather than an actual tortured real artist.

Madonna is very talented. Are we really going to do this again? Fuck you all are exhausting.

Prince>>>Madonna>>>MJ

MJ rode that Thriller fame forever. MJ’s music just doesn’t endure past a few songs. His talent is way overrated- same annoying vocal ticks/rampant lip syncing (no other singer lip sanc more, not even Britney), same dance moves, music started sounding the same, didn’t evolve. Talk about somebody being propped up by heavier talents!

There are very little MJ songs I can listen to and enjoy unlike Prince and Madonna.

Some of you tear Madonna apart for her antics of late but nothing beats MJ for being weird, insane, gross, creepy, ugly. I don’t want to hear about his childhood. No, the man was a fucking mess because he just was. No excuses. He was also the fakest “nice” person in the world. He was, behind the scenes, a jealous, petty, bitter “man”.

If OP's link is about Billboard's Hot 100 Charts, then probably Madonna does rank highest. Probably all you have to do is count who has the most hits on that chart, and that's the end of it.

But r4 is still right.

Well, the elusive chanteuse has more #1s than all three and yet couldn’t get a table at Spago for how irrelevant her legacy is. What does that tell you?

I love Prince’s music but I agree with R11 that I don’t like to binge listen to it the way I can with other artists. It demands too much from me, or something, and won’t just stay in the background—maybe the reason he was so great live?

R16 Because she was married to her companies CEO who pushed her at radio and sold her songs for $.49. She cheated nonstop. It is well documented.

Early Prince is bingeable. He and Madonna have the most listenable music.

MJ’s music holds up beautifully. Wtf are you talking about?

MJ performed better as a whole. Madonna had more top 10s because she released way more albums and singles. She is also a woman, and female pop stars are easier to sell.

Prince was prolific.

MJ was massive.

MJs album and singles right before Thriller did well too.

The Jackson 5 hits still hold up as well

Once again the Madonna groupie talking shit. The impact MJ has had on the world no one has yet been able to match that. You really have to have very little culture and be completely fanatical to deny it. I'm not particularly a fan of MJ but when I read such nonsense, it stings. The impact of the Thriller video alone across the entire planet is unprecedented in music history. And there is more than one song that is still can be listen today like Billie Jean, Human Nature, etc that have been covered hundreds of times around the world. He created something new on stage and visually. He knew how to dance like no other in the world of Pop music, and he knew how to compose contrary to what has been said about him. He just couldn't play a musical instrument, he did everything vocally and worked tirelessly since his childhood. To compare MJ to Madonna is really to be in total culturall mediocrity but that Madonna groupie on the DL is always ridiculous anyways

Jackson's Thriller (1982) remained at the top on the Billboard 200 album chart for thirty-seven weeks, setting a record for the longest run at number one by a studio album.[4] It is only one of two albums to have sold more copies in the United States than any other in two separate years, topping the sales charts in 1983 and 1984. Thriller is currently the second best-selling album of all time in the United States and the second most certified album after the Eagles' Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975), with total units of 33 million sold to date.[5] Jackson's Bad (1987) remained at top 5 on the Billboard 200 album chart for thirty-eight weeks, setting a record for the longest run at top five by an album from a male solo artist.[6] In July 2009, three of Jackson's albums (Number Ones, The Essential Michael Jackson and Thriller) claimed the top three positions on Billboard's Top Pop Catalog Albums and Top Comprehensive Albums charts in the week following the singer's death.[7] marking the first time any catalog album outsold the number album on the Billboard 200. Additionally, eight of the top nine positions on Top Pop Catalog Albums were owned by Jackson, with a ninth held by a Jackson 5 hits collection. This made Jackson the only solo artist to achieve such feat.[7][8] Jackson was the first artist to launch seven top ten singles off one album.[9] Jackson's Bad is only one of two albums where five singles off one album topped the Billboard Hot 100.[9] Jackson became the first recording artist to land number one singles in three decades after "Black or White" topped the Billboard Hot 100 in December 1991. His first number-one single, "Ben", topped the Billboard Hot 100 in October 1972. Jackson became the first artist to simultaneously top Billboard's album chart and the number one single on both the pop and R&B charts, with Thriller and "Billie Jean" in the week of March 5, 1983.[10] Jackson had more number-one singles than any other recording artist in the 1980s with ten singles.[11] Jackson's "You Are Not Alone" made him the first artist to have a song debut atop the Billboard Hot 100 in September 1995.[12] Jackson holds the record of longest span of number ones for a male act in the Billboard Hot 100 with a span of 25 years and seven months.[13] Jackson has had 14 number-one singles on Billboard's Hot 100, making him the male artist with most No. 1 Hits in the Hot 100 era.[14] Including Pre- Hot 100, Jackson follows Elvis Presley for the most number ones by a male artist and ranks fifth overall. Jackson has 30 top ten singles on the Billboard Hot 100, with Drake, Madonna, the Beatles, and Rihanna having more.[15] Jackson currently holds a record for the longest span of top forty singles on the Billboard Hot 100 in a span of 46 years and eight months, with his debuting solo single, "Got to Be There", entering the chart on November 6, 1971, and his posthumous duet with Drake, "Don't Matter to Me", first charting on July 14, 2018.[16][17] Jackson is the only act to have top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 across five consecutive decades (1970s-2010s)[18] and six consecutive decades including his work with the Jackson 5 (1960s-2010s) when "I Want You Back" charted at No. 8 on the week of December 27, 1969, in the Billboard Hot 100.[17] At the 1984 Grammys, Thriller earned Michael 7 Grammy awards with Jackson winning an eighth for his contribution to the E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial soundtrack, the most won by an artist in a single year.[19] Jackson currently holds the record for the most wins by a male artist at the American Music Awards with 26.

MJ helped other stars produce some hits, and some stars would go to him to listen to a song of theirs to see his opinion and if he thinks it has hit potential.

Freddie Mercury came to him and Queen ended up recording and making Another One Bites The Dust a single because of MJ, and he was right, it was a massive hit for them.

Thriller was the best selling album ever for decades, before The Eagles Greatest Hits passed it recently.

Good lord, Madonna!

Don't you have [bold]anything[/bold] better to do than come on here and start these endless threads about yourself?

"Madonna is very talented"

End of the joke.

Quincy Jones did some great music with MJ, but after that the music became stupid.

Madonna had some great hits and some very catchy pop songs. Most don't sound dated, even today.

Prince was a musical genius and one of the most amazing guitar players around. I recommend his first gig in Montreux where he covered Hendrix and Elvis songs. It's on youtube. Amazing!!!

"Most don't sound dated, even today".

Yeah sure Jane. The majority of Madonna's songs are precisely all outdated. Only a few of them stand out like Like a Prayer. The rest is just tasteless commercial junk that falls into oblivion very quickly.

This horrible song don't sound dated? Really?

Whatever they say about chart history, since MJ's death I've heard his music at clubs in Australia, Thailand, the US and across Europe. I've maybe heard Madonna songs a handful of times. Prince is not played in any clubs featuring young guys unless it's 80s night.

Chart history matters, but it appears based on the common listener (no matter what music critics on DL and other places say) love MJ's music from "Thriller" and "Bad". I have a video of me in Thailand at a party hostel, drinking when "Wanna be Starting Something' came on and a bunch of 20-something year olds tore it up like Bieber hit. This was in 2018 so i think MJ, like Whitney's "Wanna Dance With Somebody" will be around for decades to come.

'Wanna ba starting something" never aged. One of his masterpiece. The best MJ years imo

Prince was not a pop star, he was a musician.

r13 I don't think it's fair to chastise him for lip-syncing when he hit his 30s, considering the strain his voice was under since he was a child. MJ was singing live since he was a boy. He sing live up to the exhausting Bad Tour. On that tour he had to post-pone shows due to damaging his voice from over use and swollen vocal chords. By the end of the Bad Tour he was in his 30s (or around there) and the 80s were ending with major acts like Madonna lip-syncing like crazy. So MJ decided to protect his voice and do the same. He was also getting heavily into drugs so I doubt he could sustain his vocals through the 90s and 2000s.

But, Michael sang and sang and sang LIVE from the late 60s into 1990. Given his pre-Dangerous career, I think we can cut him some slack. He's a pop star and the expectation of pop stars singing live ended in the 80s if not the Disco era.

Here are one of my favorite live performance. He sounded wonderful, but he destroy his voice on that tour. Call me when Britney Spears did half of this type of performance LIVE.

Dress You Up, Holiday, Material Girl, Like A Virgin ... lots of pop classics. And that's just the early stuff she did.

I know she's annoying now, but for a couple of decades Madonna kept the hits coming. Her type of pop music wasn't bad at all.

r34 I just wonder why none of her stuff resonates with the younger crowds. Just at Market Days in Chicago (large gay street festival) not a Madonna song anywhere I went. It's like she disappeared from consciousness, like the Beatles.

Even the impact of MJ's death across the entire planet is unique. Only Princess Diana's death had this effect on the world. I don't think Madonna's death will create such a global shockwave.

Pop music is not about songs and melodies anymore. It's rappers saying fuck in the first line. Boobs, nudity, being trashy, twerking, the latest clothes.

It's not like Madonna didn't use these to get attention, but she did have real songs and a great production.

Madonna can't sing. She can't sing on stage. Her voice breaks on the second note and she sings out of tune. She is unlistenable in live. How many times she has been humiliated by her live performances, I don't count anymore. She is not a singer, she is an excellent and brilliant businesswoman

r37 you are wrong. The biggest pop acts right now all have "real sngs" Taylor Swift, Beyonce (sort of still pop), Ariana Grande, Dua Lipa (basically a modern Disco Queen), Olivia Rodrigo, Justing Bieber, Ed Sheeran. You just don't like rap, that's fine, but try not to paint with a wide brush if you obviously haven't been paying attention to the big acts of today.

Taylor Swift sold more albums than anyone else in 2020 and her output is full of melodies. Wake up!

R37 Totally agree with you

Prince did not have more power?? Are you insane? Prince paved the way for musicians to own their own music.

After his brilliant, bravura arrival and first years, Prince became a more of a niche performer following his own themes and focuses. "Discovering" he had been ill with his (alleged) health issues and drug dependence was a shock. And he was so private he ended up being rather insane.

Jackson started in a charts-driven group and ended as a charts-driven solo. His power and his decline both were strongly affected by his idiosyncrasies, musical and otherwise. He had the ability to pull anyone in he wanted, but he ended up doing the same naive, self-ego-stroking drivel over and over. And he was criminally insane.

Madge had the hunger and thirst and was the cleverest social observer (for purposes of picking her musical directions. She never cared about anyone or anything but herself, for all her adoptions and PR games, but she was savvy. Since she had the least innate musical talent, her pulling in the help she needed and her willingness to learn set her apart from the other two. She also had the (admit it) burden of being a woman, but she cleverly used that, too. In the end, though, she couldn't sing and she couldn't dance without looking at her feet (nothing wrong with that, as Deborah Harry showed) and her constant gimmickry and cynicism has left her, after a tremendous career, looking like self-abusing wreckage with no point in existing other than trying to seem 22. She don't do dat no more.

Prince was the most talented, Jackson the most successful, Madge the smartest, up to a point. And at their best, they were all absolutely brilliant.

MJ favorite: Human Nature. Prince: Little Red Corvette. Made: Like a Prayer.

Prince and MJ make sense….having Madonna battle someone like Debbie Gibson is more accurate

Raspberry Beret still sounds fun and good in 2020. Infectious beat and nice catchy melody.

R44 no. She was a huge success

This video tells everything you need to know about Madonna Fraud. I don't know who did that but he's a genius! I went once at her concert and i coudn't believe that she was so incapable of hitting even one right note.

You're stupid R48. Nobody is saying Madonna is a great singer, but, and it's very obvious, the 'reality' sound track was manipulated here. Speed up, slowed down, to make it sound like she's hitting wrong notes.

Well the lady very correctly said there was something wrong with the microphone. You can actually clearly hear that the audio was manipulated.

Here's Madonna singing Like A Prayer live in 2005.

You are very stupid R48!

R49 R51 STFU Nothing wrong with the microphone. I watched her "peformance" in live, she was ridiculous

Prince > Madonna > MJ

Prince really sidelined his career prematurely by feuding with his label, changing his name to a stupid glyph, and then (once he was on his own) unleashing a torrent of material that only diehards could be bothered to keep up with. He turned himself into a cult artist. Madonna kept herself on top for *much* longer than most dance-pop flash in the pans. Props for that. Her only real rival there was Janet from 1986-2001, but Madonna managed it for longer (and working with more than one production team). Like Janet and Jam-Lewis, MJ was almost useless without Quincy Jones producing. And he got way too fucking weird and creepy after Thriller. The rot was already setting in by the time of the Victory tour and his third world military dictator outfits. I never understood why it was so supposed to be cool or desirable for a pop star to look like he was about to order a chemical weapons strike on his fans.

Well, MJ could sing and dance, unlike Madonna! Prince was an artist

Prince was a genius. He could play multiple instruments and music just poured out of his soul. Jackson was a performer not an artist. He was the product of the producers he worked with. Same for Madonna. Prince wrote every note, every beat, every word. He wrote all the music for Vanity 6, The Time, Apollonia 6, The Family, Shelia E. He wrote hits for Chaka Khan, Sheena Easton, Charlie Pride, the Bangles.

OMG the crazy MJ fans. He was not as talented as he’s made out to be. He wasn’t. He was also gross and I couldn’t STAND his whiny, squealing voice. Every fucking song had a , “hee hee” “wow” “gon girl” and other vocal ticks. My GOD he was fucking annoying. After Bad, which the title song SUCKS, it was all downhill. He played up the wounded, poor victim. Everybody hated him after the allegations and his ghoulish appearance. Then he died. If he’d have lived, his legacy would have been ruined by his disgusting life, face, actions. He was a joke for so long after 2000-ish. If not a little before.

MJ nuts, spare me your long winded screeds defending him and lying about his lip syncing and stale, same old dancing he always did. I won’t read them. I find it hysterical you’re all also feverishly anti-Madonna because she DARED have more success than him. I knew that would trigger the bashing of her. You can set your watch to it. MJ fans are also jealous of Prince because he was SO much more talented than the male he is most compared to- MJ. Quincy propped that ghoul up. It was all Quincy.

R58 At molesting, yes. He was a horrible human being. Horrible.

R57, hilarious, so true. GON GIRL! SHAMONE! Hilariously awful.

I won’t debate with those who say Madonna had no talent and they use the same tired talking points planted by Sony, Columbia, Arista( Clive admitted to it and said he apologized to Madonna) about how her talent was “business” or whatever. There is zero way, zero, she has the long, deep, hugely successful career she had if she couldn’t sing or write songs. She one of the most emotive singers out there. I not going to get into the mountain of evidence. The haters know it. They just push the tired narrative and same talking points.

The most hilarious and egregious is saying she can’t dance. I mean, she not only had a dance scholarship to U of Michigan, she danced for prestigious dance programs of Pearl Lang and Martha Graham who both said she was super talented. Madonna is the most fluid dancer around. She can move every part of her body in small and huge ways. She interprets song with her body.

You got me to Stan for Madonna. And I was happy to.

I don’t even like to mention Prince and MJ in the same sentence. Prince deserved better.

I'm still standing (yeah yeah yeah)!

WEHT THE MADONNA VS JANET THREAD?

R63 There is no vs between them. Madonna is well above Janet’s league. Janet will always be, at best, second tier.

[quote] After his brilliant, bravura arrival and first years, Prince became a more of a niche performer following his own themes and focuses. "Discovering" he had been ill with his (alleged) health issues and drug dependence was a shock. And he was so private he ended up being rather insane.

Prince had not been ill. He died from a fentanyl overdose. He was not insane.

[quote] Prince > Madonna > MJ

Not even Madonna is that delusional. Why even bother comparing Madonna to artists who can actually sing and dance. Knowing that she can do neither.

Definitely Madonna over that nasty, child ass eating freak. MJ. MJ’s voice was shrill and his dancing one note. Ooooh the moon walk! Prince did not respect MJ but loved Madonna.

R48’s video is pretty damning.

But I wonder if aging is having a new effect on Madonna. Plus, it’s always hard for those dancer-singers to hear the music clearly through their headsets.

R63 here

Janet gave her a run for her money.

Madonna was like 2 or 3 times bigger than Prince and Michael Jackson was 2 or 3 times bigger than Madonna.

MJ couldn’t read or write music.

Plus, he diddled little boys.

[quote] It's like she disappeared from consciousness, like the Beatles.

THe Bealtes have not dissapeared from consciousness. They are the most stremed legacy artist on Spotify with Queen at number two and MJ at number three.

MJ couldn’t give a vocal this good.

R71 You insane nuts realize they are streamed so much because THEY DIED or just had a huge biopic about them. Prince (his estate) and Madonna battle WBR to this day about how fucked up they made their YouTube and streaming.

Have you gays ever discussed the Madonna-Prince duet "Love Song" on the True Blue album? Well?

R73, are you dense? I was responding to the claim that the Beatles have "fallen out of consciousness". If they are the number one legacy act on Spotify, they are NOT out of consciousness. The majority of people who stream are under 35. So younger people are listening to their music, they are not forgotten.

As great songwriters, Prince and Madonna produced a turkey on that song. Yikes! It gets good reviews from critics but it is awful. They supposedly wrote a lot of songs that are in Prince’s vault.

R77, agreed, it's the only song on Like a Prayer I always skip....oh, and Dear Jessie sometimes.

R76 I agree with the poster that it is largely how well your catalog is managed by the record company that determines how well older acts do with streaming. Prince and Madonna are well fucked with Warner. They drove Prince to change his name.

R77 It was for a musical. I think. I’ve heard just anywhere from a dozen songs to over 100.

Michael Jackson was easily the least musically ambitious of the big 80s solo pop stars. Seriously. After Thriller, it's like his brain kept coming up with more saccharine crap. Black and White? Garbage. And Invincible was such a bad album. Parts of it sound like Toni Braxton going through menopause.

[quote] Prince was extremely prolific it just wasn’t what people wanted to hear after 1992. MJ was not much “bigger”than Madonna. His output really suffered after Thriller. He lost steam quickly. Madonna was prolific and always seems to push her sound, get hits, and take risks which mostly paid off until 2003.

[quote] Madonna is very talented. Are we really going to do this again? Fuck you all are exhausting. Prince>>>Madonna>>>MJ MJ rode that Thriller fame forever. MJ’s music just doesn’t endure past a few songs. His talent is way overrated- same annoying vocal ticks/rampant lip syncing (no other singer lip sanc more, not even Britney), same dance moves, music started sounding the same, didn’t evolve. Talk about somebody being propped up by heavier talents!

[quote] There are very little MJ songs I can listen to and enjoy unlike Prince and Madonna. Some of you tear Madonna apart for her antics of late but nothing beats MJ for being weird, insane, gross, creepy, ugly. I don’t want to hear about his childhood. No, the man was a fucking mess because he just was. No excuses. He was also the fakest “nice” person in the world. He was, behind the scenes, a jealous, petty, bitter “man”.

[quote] R16 Because she was married to her companies CEO who pushed her at radio and sold her songs for $.49. She cheated nonstop. It is well documented. Early Prince is bingeable. He and Madonna have the most listenable music.

[quote] OMG the crazy MJ fans. He was not as talented as he’s made out to be. He wasn’t. He was also gross and I couldn’t STAND his whiny, squealing voice. Every fucking song had a , “hee hee” “wow” “gon girl” and other vocal ticks. My GOD he was fucking annoying. After Bad, which the title song SUCKS, it was all downhill. He played up the wounded, poor victim. Everybody hated him after the allegations and his ghoulish appearance. Then he died. If he’d have lived, his legacy would have been ruined by his disgusting life, face, actions. He was a joke for so long after 2000-ish. If not a little before. MJ nuts, spare me your long winded screeds defending him and lying about his lip syncing and stale, same old dancing he always did. I won’t read them. I find it hysterical you’re all also feverishly anti-Madonna because she DARED have more success than him. I knew that would trigger the bashing of her. You can set your watch to it. MJ fans are also jealous of Prince because he was SO much more talented than the male he is most compared to- MJ. Quincy propped that ghoul up. It was all Quincy.

*Black or White, not Black And White lol. He should have just called it "Ebony and Ivory".

[quote] R58 At molesting, yes. He was a horrible human being. Horrible.

[quote] I won’t debate with those who say Madonna had no talent and they use the same tired talking points planted by Sony, Columbia, Arista( Clive admitted to it and said he apologized to Madonna) about how her talent was “business” or whatever. There is zero way, zero, she has the long, deep, hugely successful career she had if she couldn’t sing or write songs. She one of the most emotive singers out there. I not going to get into the mountain of evidence. The haters know it. They just push the tired narrative and same talking points.The most hilarious and egregious is saying she can’t dance. I mean, she not only had a dance scholarship to U of Michigan, she danced for prestigious dance programs of Pearl Lang and Martha Graham who both said she was super talented. Madonna is the most fluid dancer around. She can move every part of her body in small and huge ways. She interprets song with her body. You got me to Stan for Madonna. And I was happy to. I don’t even like to mention Prince and MJ in the same sentence. Prince deserved better.

[quote] R63 There is no vs between them. Madonna is well above Janet’s league. Janet will always be, at best, second tier.

[quote] Definitely Madonna over that nasty, child ass eating freak. MJ. MJ’s voice was shrill and his dancing one note. Ooooh the moon walk! Prince did not respect MJ but loved Madonna.

[quote] MJ couldn’t give a vocal this good.

[quote] R71 You insane nuts realize they are streamed so much because THEY DIED or just had a huge biopic about them. Prince (his estate) and Madonna battle WBR to this day about how fucked up they made their YouTube and streaming.

Again even Madonna is not this delusional.

Madonna had a social and cultural impact that will never be duplicated.

R85 agree, but MJ was bigger with a bigger impact

R52, you didn't watch a performance you watched a video mit a manipulated audio.

Again Madonna in no way was a singer of note, but she sang Like A Prayer live many times before and didn't hit wrong notes. The vocal coach clearly said she heard there was something wrong with the mike.

R84 Oh look you can post what I post. OMG. Still, no lies detected.

R85 Exactly

MJ fans always make me happily defend Madonna. I fucking hate that child ass eating freak. I cannot listen to his music with knowing what all he did. It destroys all his music.

Child ass eating freak

But he was……NO

But he could……NO

But Thriller……NO

Child ass eating freak. He had child butt breath!

Speaking of Madge… she posted this right now.

[quote] [R84] Oh look you can post what I post. OMG. Still, no lies detected. [R85] Exactly MJ fans always make me happily defend Madonna. I fucking hate that child ass eating freak. I cannot listen to his music with knowing what all he did. It destroys all his music.

Your ranting and raving prove that the “crazy” “freak” is you. There is no accusation that you can level against Jackson that will make Madonna a talented singer and dancer. Certainly not someone whose talent is acknowledged (by the music world and superior musicians) as being unparalleled.

[quote] She is not a singer, she is an excellent and brilliant businesswoman]

I wouldn’t be quite that harsh R38. She is an excellent and talented entertainer, though not an excellent singer.

Prince was a talented musician and songwriter, MJ was a talented singer and dancer, Madonna just got lucky.

You don't get as famous as Madonna or last as long without talent. Otherwise, she would've been Stacey Q.

I love the DistortedTime chart history comparisons, they tell the truth about your faves. The Janet vs Whitney thread we did a few weeks ago was informative. The charts don't lie bitches.

The Billboard Hot 100 does lie--it's weird that the chart gives more weight to airplay than actual sales. Or at least it used to do that. Not sure if that is still the case. I think the chart was changed in the 90s to give more weight to airplay which is why a lot of Mariah's songs hit number one.

R96 Mariah was a big seller….

R97, she was but a lot of her singles were also "aided" by being on constant rotation. Her songs Honey and My All would have never hit number one if it wasn't for constant radio play.

R91 Cunt, I don’t give a shit what you think about Madonna. If you went further into my posting history, I am not her biggest fan of late. I think she is very talented. I love her voice. Love it. She is a top notch song writer. She is one of the all time best entertainers. She didn’t have the PR machine from her label to A)attack her rivals with lies, and B) plant puff pieces in every entertainment venue to prop her up and set their narrative of her. I can discern whether she has talent, and I believe she has it is spades in many areas.

Nobody is going to criticize St. Michael now. They’d be bludgeoned by his insane fan base. I don’t care if every person on earth decreed him the most talented person to ever exist- he ate little boys asses.

R97 with $.49 cent singles. Billboard has had to change so many rules due to her gaming the system. Her incredibly powerful husband was payola-ing radio (google Mariah payola) while deeply discounting her singles. Look at what her competitors were selling theirs at. Many for almost half of what their CD cost.

R102 you can keep on claiming that. It’s a bunch of made up bullshit by haters like you.

As someone who used to buy her music, I never once paid 49 cents for a single by her. Actually, I paid $6 for Fantasy.

In the 90s, Billboard did give more weight to airplay which was easily manipulated by record companies. The whole payola scandal of the 90s was well known. I also think the same think is happening with streaming. There is so much a record company can do to get their preferred artists on different play lists.

Mariah had many terrible call outs for songs, yet they kept getting robust airplay. Some of that was because of who she was. However, when call outs didn’t improve they didn’t lessen airplay. It is well documented she discounted to $.49 that terrible song that miraculously flew up the charts to #2 and stalled because some huge hit blocked it which sent her into a meltdown on MTV.

Well bitches all your faves record companies were payola players in the 90s, so Billboard is just a measure of how well they worked the payola.

No, not all participated. Warner was too much being assholes to help Prince or Madonna. Both had too much control over their careers which also made Warner feel the need to be hands off.

Lmao Mariah was selling out stadiums and arenas, but you all claim she was not really selling.

This has to be a joke.

This is what's sad about this generation......it's always a battle of chart numbers from a bunch of autistic queens arguing over who's the best.

I never hear "oh this music moves me" or "this resonates with me." No, it's always "So and so sold x many copies and they are the Queen!"

Ugh, art is dead.

There are many songs that charted in the top 10 and are pretty much forgotten now, and other songs that barely cracked the top 40 and are well-known. Some songs just become more popular as time goes by.

Journey's "Don't Stop Believin," for example, barely cracked the top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100 and sank down the chart pretty fast, yet it's one of the most famous songs of the 80s and everybody knows it.

Were singles in the early '90s on CD or cassette? I never bought singles in the '90s but I did buy several cassette singles in the very late '80s (like "Back to Life" by Soul II Soul).

Cassette singles (and cassette tapes in general) lasted for a few years into the 90s before being phased out.

Prince had more talent and genius than MJ, they both had more than Madge.

R103, it's usually that crazy Madonna fan (the one who always battles it out with Janbot by calling him "Jabba") who continues to push this narrative about Mariah, ignoring the fact that she was a huge album seller (her debut is 9x platinum, and once certified, she will have three diamond albums). Bitter rantings from a stan who is upset that Madonna doesn't have the most number-one hits on the Billboard Hot 100. And I never remember her singles being .49 cents back during the release of her debut, Emotions, Music Box, Merry Christmas, or Daydream.

Moreover, this narrative would hold weight if Mariah was just a singles artist, but she wasn't. And the only time her singles were discounted was late in the 90s with the release of Butterfly (and later with Glitter). However, Sony was doing that with all of their major artists during this period, including DL-fave Ricky Martin.

R114 100%

Her singles for her first few albums did not cost $0.49. My mother was a huge fan (up to Butterfly) and would buy her CDs, some singles, etc.

I also bought some of her singles, and Fantasy Cd single cost me almost $6! Always Be My Baby was $5.

This lie that all her songs were that cheap is a massive lie. On top of that, her concert tickets were expensive as fuck and would sell out. No way you’re selling out stadiums and arenas but no one is buying your music.

Mariah never sold out a stadium on her own. She never did a stadium tour. She has terrible touring numbers. It’s very brave to bring up Mariah and touring with one google search away to see her terrible numbers.

Google payola Mariah. They weren’t all doing it.

I personally couldn’t care less about chart position.

The Mariah Stan ( also is Jabba) love creating Madonna threads, even positive ones, so it can talk to itself dragging her.

R116 what? She’s one of the most successful touring acts ever. Lmaoooo you love making up lies. It’s insane.

R117 prove it. She’s been a terrible touring act. She wasn’t selling out 4,000 seat arenas for well over a decade. She has no tours in the top 100 tours of all time.

Lmaoooo the delusion and hate from that poster (and we all know who he is) is absurd.

Didn’t you just get your over 20th red-tagged account for using the n word days ago? Maybe it’s time to sign off.

Did Mariah even tour much? It's not like she was a great live artist. People like Prince and Whitney Houston were great live artist.

Whitney was boring live.

R119 Wrong person. Trolldar me, cunt. Prove Mariah one of the most successful touring artists or STFU. You can’t so you attack. Speaks volumes.

R119: Accusing me of being Janbot is the height of hilarity. Janbot hates Mariah Carey (maybe not as much as he hates Madonna, but he definitely doesn't like her).

You're starting to sound as unhinged and paranoid as the "Ancient White Fag" troll from Canada.

The Ancient White Fag troll is either a huge Whitney or Janet fan. I can’t stand either.

LOTS of deflection now since MiMi loon can’t back up his claims. I win.

R124: He's a mega Whitney Houston fan.

R94 Her talent was self PR.

I just want to say fuck you to the person who’s dissing Who’s That Girl. That’s Madonna’s best song.

R127 Sure, Jan. Die on that hill, idiot. Deflection, deflection, deflection.

You know Roger Friedman was on Mariah’s payroll (who was her manager during the 00s?). Emails leaked between him and Benny Medina(?) about how, at Mariah’s managers direction, Roger would relentlessly trash Madonna. His articles would get picked up by every news organization and spread far and wide creating the narrative they wanted. It was ugly. Arista also did this to Madonna. Every record company went after her in the 80s and beyond creating negative narratives that get retold here. At the end of the day, they failed because she succeeded despite their efforts.

R130, that sounds believeable but do you have any links to any sources?

R130 as someone who has bought Mariah’s music, I can tell you that $0.49 shit is bullshit.

R132 It is easily provable. Jesus, the Mariah loon is fucking stupid for bringing up things you can prove easily.

R132 This thread below is juicy and has receipts posted.

R134, wow. This sounds like it was written by a douche...which Roger Friedman clearly is. He talks like how these dumb "influencers" talk now....also, this is just petty

[quote] I’ll let you know in a couple of weeks. I’ll attend one of the dates for sure. Speaking of concerts, did you check out my review of Madonna at Coachella this morning? I wasn’t there—and wouldn’t go there if you paid me to—but had a lot to say about it, including the fact—well maybe not—that she was booed off stage. Someone from Warner Bros. called me about it this morning and was really pissed. I was laughing my ass off!

R135 Yep. Lied and it got picked up. Her Coachella performance was widely praised and the new documentary clearly shows a frenzied crowd loving the performance.

So, who is going to say Mariah wasn’t aware of this? Of course she was. That is so cunty. She is the most insecure bitch in the industry.

Roger was fired over this.

Apparently, Roger is quite the fraudster:

[quote] In 2002, he was criticized by Mica Rosenberg of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency for writing a review of a film even though he had never seen it, but only read an advance copy of the screenplay

I believe Mariah was very aware of this. Whitney was not aware of Clive doing it.

Roger kept on after this for a long time. He apparently had a falling out with Mariah at some point and wrote some very flattering pieces on Madonna.

Is Mariah still big as a house?

R141 She had plastic surgery (gastric sleeve) to lose weight. But she’ll find a way to balloon up again.

The poster who claimed Mariah was a huge touring artist has launched dozens of threads against Madonna. He (or it) launched two threads about Debra Winger being upset Madonna was cast in A League Of Their Own like we should all care what Debra Fucking Winger thinks.

Seems like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting Michael Jackson had an entire decade as a solo act (besides as part of a group) before anyone knew who prince or Madonna were. And he released over 15 singles and four albums as a soloist in the seventies. Do get your math and comments right. His career did not start with Thriller. But, Supremes and Beatles aside, he did start the trend of multiple hits within an album. And that slowed down album releases for EVERYONE, because the goal became to milk a successful album for all its multiple single hits’ worth.

R144 You pointed out something MJ nuts don’t like to acknowledge. I find it hard to believe before him artists didn’t want multiple hits from one album.

R145, it happened, but only by chance.

Mariah is much more respected and well liked in the industry

I think Prince and Madonna had much better and experimental discographies than Michael Jackson. I would say the same about Janet, George Michael, David Bowie and many others. But Michael was the biggest male pop star of all time and outsold them all. He was an icon and had been famous since he was a kid in The Jackson 5. He was disgraced since the mid-90s and he continued to destroy that legacy until his death in 2009. The mainstream media revived his popularity by playing his music over and over, MTV and BET played his videos in marathons. His estate made more money after his death. He was bankrupt by the time he died.

Mariah is... well was a talented singer and songwriter, vocally Whitney was superior. Whitney outsold her but Mariah was the creative genius of the two, Whitney was just a classical singer though she interpreted her songs well and used her voice like an instrument. Whitney really should have did jazz or blues and she probably would have been surrounded by better people in doing so as well. Mariah understands pop music and song crafting.

[quote] Whitney outsold her but Mariah was the creative genius of the two

Actually, Mariah far outsold Whitney in the US and globally, and the gap gets bigger every year because of Mariah's iconic Christmas music.

Mariah is also far wealthier because she wrote all of her songs, which Whitney never did.

I wouldn't say Mariah FAR outsold her by any means--she outsold her by about 17 million EAS. By comparison, the gap between Madonna and Mariah is like 70 million EAS. The biggest reason that Mariah outsold her is because she released a ton of material within her first 10 years (1990-2000), more than Whitney did. Whitney only had four albums within 10 years, five if you include the Exhale soundtrack (I don't). Mariah released eight albums, nineif you include her Greatest Hits album.

Ugh, get skank Mariah outta this thread! Most of us do NOT like her. She is a completely uninteresting person.

Michael Jackson's music had universal appeal that kids and adults could enjoy, which translates to big sales, domestically and internationally. Prince and Madonna experimented with musical styles, and quite often explored sexuality and sexual deviancy, and employed religious imagery, all of which alienated a huge segment of society and certain world cultures that frowned on that sort of immodesty. It's no surprise that Michael trumped Prince and Madonna in sales and popularity. He was "safe."

Except the children weren’t safe around him! Can you image them googling him? Between his ghoulish face they’d read about his child fucking.

Madonna never really had much sexual music. Even Justify My Love wasn’t lyrically really sexual. Prince’s music was by far the most sexual.

Madonna just got back with Warner. Huge news. They are going to do a large number of things like releasing deluxe albums and such. The biggest? Re-certify her catalog where she is millions and millions behind her actual sales. This is both going to increase her US and WW totals significantly.

[quote]Michael Jackson's music had universal appeal that kids and adults could enjoy, which translates to big sales, domestically and internationally.

And then Michael Jackson FUCKED those kids, both domestically and internationally.

Wait, did someone say Mariah was a creative genius? Ahahahahahahahahaha oh hon no, no she wasn’t. Her lyrics are 8th grade level at best. She’s not written any true classic song except the X-mas one and even then, the lyrics are banal.

Michael's music was very safe and wholesome regardless of his private and later public life. MJ started out R&B but drifted more and more pop and adapted a colorless persona in both his singing and appearance. MJ's lyrics were very basic and like nursery rhymes. That's why he appealed internationally. Not saying MJ's music is bad, it's excellent pop music and touched people emotionally. But simplicity was the key to his broader appeal. Prince's music was more bluesy with some funk, synthpop, gospel, New Wave, folk, psychedelic and hard rock thrown in. Prince's songs were about sexuality, identity, gender, religion, racism, politics, family trauma and urban decay. He was experimental and his music was cryptic. Prince got more and more unapologetically Black in his style after he got disillusioned by the music industry bullshit. P's music got revival in popularity after his death and many are discovering how much his lyrics resonate with the current climate.

Madonna was great but she was nothing more than a pop tart who used her body and looks for attention to get ahead.

What am I, chopped liver? FU, gays!

Prine won out as a songwriter, a hit maker and a bit of a pimp. I mean, sure, the women he took under blew out like a supernova and It might have been brief flame but the initial explosion was intense for their careers. his personal catalogue is much bigger than the songs he sung alone.

Madonna remains one of the most powerful influencers. she's not a trend starter but a trend finder and gives permission to the fraus to join in. so, that's always going to sell. she whores herself out at every angle and thrives on drama. so, good or bad, she pulls through better than kiss lending their image and name to everything.

MJ whether hot or not was legendary. a rare phenomenon in which he could ride out multiple points of his early career to pull thru any shitshow in his life even the absolute destruction of his face.

but chart wise... they've all had hits and misses but they all had their methods for staying relevant and pulling through.

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